All Animals Deserve Better Treatment - Page 4

Looby · 04-04-2008, 03:04 PM

I'm with Rainy and Purple, I knew someone from a vegetarian family who tried to keep their dog on a vegetarian diet until their vet basically told them to stop inflicting their ideals on a creature who was dependent on them.
Also very jealous of your snake, such lovely animals.

rainysparadigm · 04-04-2008, 03:30 PM

snakes are frugal in upkeep t0o

setup, not so much lol i got mine as an egg actually, helped hatch him and participate in his first feeding. first reptile ive kept so we grew together lol spoiled creature he is.

i attached some pictures, one is aegis when he was first born sitting in my friends hand. second is the new tank we just setup which i talked about in another forum. and the third is a slightly more up to date picture of him, hes grown a bit since then.

but not to derail the thread entirely, i think its just easy for ppl to get caught up in their cause that they dont realize the damage that they may be doing. thats the funny things with pets, it really requires you to put yourself in the view of a creature you cant fully communicate with and try to do whats best for them even if it goes against what you believe for yourself.

however i admire the discipline required by vegans especially. they give up so many foods you dont even realize, right down to dorito nachos because of the cheese powder! its not convenient at all, and so you know its something that they firmly believe in. also ive seen it do wonders for a friend who had some serious mental imbalances and was in out of the hospital and psych wards for years, always on the brink of destruction. i dont know if it was the healthier lifestyle or the feeling of being part of a greater good, but since going vegan shes doing so much better her own therapist told her not to come back, it wasnt needed.

odd, no?

Dani · 04-04-2008, 04:29 PM

After speaking with my vet, who said there was plenty of nutrition in vegetarian dog foods after I showed her some labels, I tried my dogs on the diet. I was researching dog food and found that even the $40-$45 bags used meat unfit for human consumption. Dog foods are not regulated as closely as human foods. Mine love fruits and veggies: bananas, apples, pears, broccoli, snap peas, strawberries, berries, etc., and I buy mostly organic for all of us. One did just fine, but one had runny stools, so I switched them to a seemingly healthier food containing meat. It was too hard to have two different diets.

rainysparadigm · 04-04-2008, 08:57 PM

I have two comments on that...

1. Just because an animal can survive on something doesnt mean its preferable. The irony in that is the point of veganism is protesting the "survival but not preferable" conditions the slaughter is kept in. Not the same extreme, but the same concept.

2. Animals in the wild eat many things not fit for human consumption. If a pack of dogs took down a cow for the sake of argument, they dont just eat the filet mignon. Theyre gonna eat everything their teeth can tear into chunks small enough to swallow. Most of it we humans would gag on just the thought of sticking it in our mouthes.

Chemicals are a different issue though. Most animal food is severely processed too and I highly doubt it's any better for them than it is for us.

Again it really just boils down to doing the best that we possibly can for ourselves and for the people and animals dependant on us. There's no real black or white answer.

04-04-2008, 04:29 PM	#33
Dani Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 36 Reputation: (10)	dog vegetarians After speaking with my vet, who said there was plenty of nutrition in vegetarian dog foods after I showed her some labels, I tried my dogs on the diet. I was researching dog food and found that even the $40-$45 bags used meat unfit for human consumption. Dog foods are not regulated as closely as human foods. Mine love fruits and veggies: bananas, apples, pears, broccoli, snap peas, strawberries, berries, etc., and I buy mostly organic for all of us. One did just fine, but one had runny stools, so I switched them to a seemingly healthier food containing meat. It was too hard to have two different diets.

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04-04-2008, 03:04 PM	#31
Looby Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 69 Reputation: (14)	I'm with Rainy and Purple, I knew someone from a vegetarian family who tried to keep their dog on a vegetarian diet until their vet basically told them to stop inflicting their ideals on a creature who was dependent on them. Also very jealous of your snake, such lovely animals.

04-04-2008, 08:57 PM	#34
rainysparadigm Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 55 Reputation: (12)	I have two comments on that... 1. Just because an animal can survive on something doesnt mean its preferable. The irony in that is the point of veganism is protesting the "survival but not preferable" conditions the slaughter is kept in. Not the same extreme, but the same concept. 2. Animals in the wild eat many things not fit for human consumption. If a pack of dogs took down a cow for the sake of argument, they dont just eat the filet mignon. Theyre gonna eat everything their teeth can tear into chunks small enough to swallow. Most of it we humans would gag on just the thought of sticking it in our mouthes. Chemicals are a different issue though. Most animal food is severely processed too and I highly doubt it's any better for them than it is for us. Again it really just boils down to doing the best that we possibly can for ourselves and for the people and animals dependant on us. There's no real black or white answer.