spouse http://www.wisebread.com/taxonomy/term/10649/all en-US Talking to Your Spouse About Money http://www.wisebread.com/talking-to-your-spouse-about-money <div class="field field-type-filefield field-field-blog-image"> <div class="field-items"> <div class="field-item odd"> <a href="/talking-to-your-spouse-about-money" class="imagecache imagecache-250w imagecache-linked imagecache-250w_linked"><img src="http://wisebread.killeracesmedia.netdna-cdn.com/files/fruganomics/imagecache/250w/blog-images/stockxpertcom_id56982171_jpg_b239f10ab21642cdd9ec1fca8ab67aa2.jpg" alt="" title="" class="imagecache imagecache-250w" width="250" height="167" /></a> </div> </div> </div> <p>I have a guest post up on Get Rich Slowly about <a href="http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2010/01/26/how-to-talk-with-your-spouse-about-money/">how to talk with your spouse about money</a>. I had the privilege of interviewing financial counselor Lou Scatigna, aka <a href="http://www.thefinancialphysician.com/">The Financial Physician</a>, for the article.</p> <p>Lou's not at all shy with his opinion. He told me straight up that a marriage where the couple can't agree about money is doomed. He also painted a pretty scary picture of what can happen when one partner abidcates full control of the household finances to the other: elderly people lose their spouse and suddenly have no idea how to pay the bills, or one partner is able to hide tens of thousands of credit card debt from the other until it is too late to avoid <a href="http://www.wisebread.com/debt/bankruptcy" title="Wise Bread's Guide to Bankruptcy">bankruptcy</a>.</p> <p>How to avoid these problems? Communicate. Specifically, Lou suggests holding a family finance meeting every month where you sit down with your partner and go over each bill together. In my household, we take it a step further and go over our spending spreadsheet to look at each category together. Not just the bills but also groceries and gifts and anything else we spent money on during the month. We also use the time to check how we're doing on our long term financial goals.</p> <p>This is harder than it seems. Here's an excerpt from my post:</p> <blockquote><p>Managing finances together sounds simple, but there are a lot of stumbling blocks. People are busy. You&rsquo;ve got a career, a family, maybe kids of your own, plus friends and hobbies. Spending an evening a month on a boring chore can seem like a lot to ask.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Plus, money pushes a lot of buttons for people. It brings up fear, anxiety, guilt, anger. A lot of negative emotions most of us like to avoid. So we avoid talking about money with our spouses until it explodes in a financial disaster or a relationship meltdown.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Even when we do sit down to talk, it can be hard to make good use of the time. Should you discuss long-term goals or just go over this month&rsquo;s bills? How can you avoid spiraling into a fight?</p> </blockquote> <p>It helps us to set aside a specific time to go over these things each month. That way, we resist the risk of ambushing each other with small money dramas when one of us is busy, distracted, or cranky. Having a time and place to talk means these conversations happen, and they happen with a lot less friction than they used to when we crammed them in over breakfast or after bedtime.</p> <p>A few commenters on GRS suggested that once a month wasn't often enough. Indeed, when my husband and I first started getting our financial act together, we had weekly meetings for awhile. I still sit down alone once a week to work out the budget for the coming week, because it's me who handles the day to day finances. Others felt a formal meeting was unnecessary, and they just catch up with their spouse about money on a need-to-know basis.</p> <p>What's your financial communication style? Formal meetings or swift chats on the fly? Are you happy with the way you and your spouse talk about money? Do you know enough about your finances to handle things alone if you had to? What would you like to do differently?</p> <br /><div id="custom_wisebread_footer"><div id="rss_tagline">This article is from <a href="http://www.wisebread.com/sierra-black">Sierra Black</a> of <a href="http://www.wisebread.com/talking-to-your-spouse-about-money">Wise Bread</a>, an award-winning personal finance and <a href="http://www.wisebread.com/credit-cards">credit card comparison</a> website. Read more great articles from Wise Bread:</div><div class="view view-similarterms view-id-similarterms view-display-id-block_2 view-dom-id-1"> <div class="view-content"> <div class="item-list"> <ul> <li class="views-row views-row-1 views-row-odd views-row-first"> <div class="views-field-title"> <span class="field-content"><a href="http://www.wisebread.com/8-steps-to-a-blissful-matri-money">8 Steps to a Blissful Matri-Money</a></span> </div> </li> <li class="views-row views-row-2 views-row-even"> <div class="views-field-title"> <span class="field-content"><a href="http://www.wisebread.com/5-ways-to-automate-your-finances">5 Ways to Automate Your Finances</a></span> </div> </li> <li class="views-row views-row-3 views-row-odd"> <div class="views-field-title"> <span class="field-content"><a href="http://www.wisebread.com/a-lot-of-people-dont-understand-what-money-really-is-do-you">A Lot of People Don&#039;t Understand What Money Really Is — Do You?</a></span> </div> </li> <li class="views-row views-row-4 views-row-even"> <div class="views-field-title"> <span class="field-content"><a href="http://www.wisebread.com/7-free-and-low-cost-ways-to-protect-your-credit">7 Free and Low Cost Ways To Protect Your Credit</a></span> </div> </li> <li class="views-row views-row-5 views-row-odd views-row-last"> <div class="views-field-title"> <span class="field-content"><a href="http://www.wisebread.com/10-financial-moves-you-can-make-during-your-commute">10 Financial Moves You Can Make During Your Commute</a></span> </div> </li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div><br/></br> Personal Finance marriage money management spouse Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:00:02 +0000 Sierra Black 4899 at http://www.wisebread.com It takes a frugal spouse to make a frugal home http://www.wisebread.com/it-takes-a-frugal-spouse-to-make-a-frugal-home <div class="field field-type-filefield field-field-blog-image"> <div class="field-items"> <div class="field-item odd"> <a href="/it-takes-a-frugal-spouse-to-make-a-frugal-home" class="imagecache imagecache-250w imagecache-linked imagecache-250w_linked"><img src="http://wisebread.killeracesmedia.netdna-cdn.com/files/fruganomics/imagecache/250w/blog-images/spouses.jpg" alt="Spouses" title="Spouses" class="imagecache imagecache-250w" width="250" height="203" /></a> </div> </div> </div> <p>Something of an exaggeration, of course&mdash;a one-person household can be very frugal. But there's an underlying truth: A household is only as frugal as its least-frugal member.</p> <p>This is one of the clear messages from the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0671015206?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=wisbre08-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0671015206"><em>Millionaire Next Door</em></a>. People who answer &quot;yes&quot; to the question, &quot;Is your spouse more frugal than you are?&quot; are enormously more likely to be millionaires than other people.</p> <p>That controlling spending is more important for becoming rich than having a high income is not news. When a rich person insists on haggling over a small sum or on correcting a small error in a bill, ordinary people may say, &quot;I'm surprised someone like you would concern yourself over such a small sum.&quot; The rich person's response, though, is simply, &quot;How do you think someone like me got to be someone like me?&quot;</p> <p>Contrariwise, a non-frugal spouse not only <strong>can</strong> wreck a household's finances&mdash;he or she <strong>will almost certainly do so</strong>, usually without even meaning to.</p> <h2>Structural solutions</h2> <p>I've heard a hundred variations on attempts to produce a structural solution.</p> <p>In the old days it was common for the husband to control the income stream and pay the wife an allowance with which she was to cover the groceries and other household expenses. This sort of structure could work very well if both spouses were frugal&mdash;the frugal wife would economize enough to save some money out of the allowance, producing a nest egg that was separate from the husband's&mdash;but failed badly if the husband wasn't frugal, leaving the household with no savings except the wife's pin money.</p> <p>In more modern times, structural solutions tend to be build around separate accounts&mdash;yours, mine, and (possibly) ours, with a clear understanding of how income goes into the various accounts and which bills are to be paid out of which account. These can work well for people who have a common vision for the household's future&mdash;but then anything can work well for people with a common vision.</p> <p>Many households have just a single pool of money&mdash;all income flows into it, all expenses are paid out of it. This can work fine, too.</p> <p>In fact, in the US at least, all these solutions all amount to the same thing as far as the law is concerned. With some very limited exceptions (mainly having to do with inherited wealth), either spouse is able to incur debts that obligate the entire household. As a practical matter, you have to pay your spouse's credit card bills pretty much without regard to any agreement to the contrary between the two of you. (The only reason the &quot;husband controls everything&quot; scheme ever worked was that creditors were unwilling to extend credit to a wife unless her husband co-signed.)&nbsp; Because of this, structural solutions are only effective to the extent that both spouses use them to restrain <strong>themselves</strong>&mdash;they are of no use at all for restraining a spouse against his or her will.</p> <h2>The structure of the problem</h2> <p>There are, I think, three general categories of non-frugal spousal behavior.</p> <p>The first has to do with <strong>impulse control</strong>. Here's where structural solutions can help. If the situation is that you can agree on a budget, but that one (or both) of you tend to spend money on passing fancies, then a structural solution that puts an obstacle in the path of spending money can provide the time to reconsider and make choices that don't blow the budget. In particular, structural measures can act as a sort of &quot;tripwire&quot; to detect when one spouse has succumbed to poor impulse control, giving the couple a chance to make the necessary adjustments before the household's finances are put at serious risk.</p> <p>The second has to do with having a <strong>shared vision</strong> of the goals of the household. Having a shared vision does not necessarily mean having the same goals. If your big goal is taking a fabulous trip to Paris and your spouse's goal is owning a classic Alfa Romeo, that's still a shared vision&mdash;as long as you both acknowledge the other's goal. In fact, frugality can advance both goals. The problem comes when one spouse rejects or dismisses the other's goals. There is no structural solution to that problem. If one of you thinks that saving money to send the kids to college is important and the other would rather have a higher standard of living, there simply isn't a structural solution&mdash;the less-frugal spouse wins (or rather loses&mdash;along with everyone else in the household).</p> <p>The third, and most fundamental, is simply having a different <strong>understanding of how the world works</strong> with regard to finances. Some people (I dare say most people who read Wise Bread) view saving&mdash;spending less than you earn&mdash;as <strong>the</strong> fundamental choice that enables all the financial successes of the household. Other people, though, don't. (There are many different understandings of how the world works. Some people discount the future heavily&mdash;the &quot;live for today&quot; folks. Other people just assume things will work out&mdash;the &quot;the gods will provide&quot; folks. Still others are just thoughtless and selfish&mdash;the &quot;instant gratification&quot; folks. None of these are invalid&mdash;they're just different. But the difference is one that pretty much excludes any hope of financial success, except through simple good fortune.)</p> <p>So, how can you fix this? What can you do if you have a spouse who does not share your inclination to frugality?</p> <p>To begin with, figure out where the disconnect is. Does your spouse believe that spending less than you earn is the foundation of financial success? Do you have a common vision of your major goals? If the answer to both these questions is yes, then there's a pretty straightforward path to success based on structural solutions. Simply produce a budget that allocates enough money to the less-frugal spouse's priorities while leaving an adequate surplus for saving and investing. If necessary, set up a system of accounts that make it easy to pay for things in line with the budget and difficult to pay for things that aren't in the budget.</p> <p>If the answer to the first question is yes but the answer to the second question is no, then the next step is to negotiate that common understanding. I'm no expert in such matters, but I'd start by identifying a very small number of must-haves&mdash;an emergency fund, retirement savings, college savings for the kids&mdash;and then negotiating a division of the surplus between your goals and your spouse's goals. Some people allocate a certain amount of money that each spouse can spend without consulting the other. Others agree to make joint decisions about major purchases.</p> <p>If the answer to the first question is no, it may be very difficult to come to an arrangement that works&mdash;unless the less-frugal spouse is willing to cede control over the household finances to the other. And this last, I think, is the crux of the matter.</p> <p>All these issues are as much about power and control as they are about anything else. I have seen spouses sabotage their household finances simply to thwart the will of the other partner&mdash;as a concrete expression of the fact that they wield a full measure of the spending capability.</p> <h2>Structure of people</h2> <p>Everybody has their own natural level of frugality and there's not much you can do to change someone else's nature. (Changing your own is tough enough.) Exhortations, appeals to logic (or to dreams for the future), and leading by example all have their place, but only go so far. There is a great deal of room for negotiation when it comes to the household's common goals&mdash;but only a little room for negotiation when it comes to notions of how finances work.</p> <p>One's understanding of the world is learned young.&nbsp; It's learned by watching the early morning cartoons, by listening to songs about hard times, by seeing your friend's parents prosper and move on (or fail to), and by listening to what your parents have to say about their neighbors&mdash;both those who prosper and those who don't.&nbsp; It can also learned by watching and listening to your spouse&mdash;but only so fast, because the things learned young carry a weight that's hard to move.&nbsp;</p> <p>If your spouse doesn't (or you don't) understand that <em>spending less than you earn is the basis for everything else</em>&mdash;comfort, prosperity, security, success&mdash;then you'll only achieve those things through plain blind luck.&nbsp; Those people can spot their peers at the lottery ticket counter in the convenience store.</p> <br /><div id="custom_wisebread_footer"><div id="rss_tagline">This article is from <a href="http://www.wisebread.com/philip-brewer">Philip Brewer</a> of <a href="http://www.wisebread.com/it-takes-a-frugal-spouse-to-make-a-frugal-home">Wise Bread</a>, an award-winning personal finance and <a href="http://www.wisebread.com/credit-cards">credit card comparison</a> website. Read more great articles from Wise Bread:</div><div class="view view-similarterms view-id-similarterms view-display-id-block_2 view-dom-id-2"> <div class="view-content"> <div class="item-list"> <ul> <li class="views-row views-row-1 views-row-odd views-row-first"> <div class="views-field-title"> <span class="field-content"><a href="http://www.wisebread.com/the-line-between-frugal-and-crazy">The line between frugal and crazy</a></span> </div> </li> <li class="views-row views-row-2 views-row-even"> <div class="views-field-title"> <span class="field-content"><a href="http://www.wisebread.com/in-times-like-these-separate-the-want-from-the-need">In times like these, separate the want from the need.</a></span> </div> </li> <li class="views-row views-row-3 views-row-odd"> <div class="views-field-title"> <span class="field-content"><a href="http://www.wisebread.com/the-new-normal-economy">The new normal economy</a></span> </div> </li> <li class="views-row views-row-4 views-row-even"> <div class="views-field-title"> <span class="field-content"><a href="http://www.wisebread.com/oprah-asks-a-great-question-what-can-you-live-without">Oprah Asks A Great Question; What Can You Live Without?</a></span> </div> </li> <li class="views-row views-row-5 views-row-odd views-row-last"> <div class="views-field-title"> <span class="field-content"><a href="http://www.wisebread.com/chinese-money-habits-how-my-culture-influences-my-attitudes-toward-money">Chinese Money Habits - How My Culture Influences My Attitudes Toward Money</a></span> </div> </li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div><br/></br> Personal Finance Frugal Living budget control credit frugal frugality husband power spouse wife Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:20:58 +0000 Philip Brewer 3000 at http://www.wisebread.com