A great blog about something I have been working with. And yes, the meat/fish thing is the hardest for me. And my local CSA sends stuff in plastic bags which I am sad about. I buy a lot in bulk and that has helped. Ironically, we are now buying granola my husband likes best by the case and guess what it has inside the cardboard box? Right, a plastic bag. Sigh. I hope to convert him to the homemade stuff. And we are down to going to the dump (we have elected to not have trash pick up because we were going to decrease out garbage output and because it was expensive!) about every 2.5-3 months. Yea! And yes, I have had the experience of white noise plastic. It is everywhere. And it can be more expensive in buying glass instead of plastic - but I have bitten the bullet (is that right?) and figure I am getting storage containers out of the deal. I am reusing the plastic bags - one from nearly a year ago finally just gave out. I also have had to be very concious about taking in cloth shopping bags to other stores other than grocery - fabric store, Target, etc to decrease those plastic bags. Grocery stores I have down cold. I also had to make sure my husband is becoming more aware of it so he doesn't bring hope that stuff. One thing that I thought of is that I should take plastic ware with us to eat out because we nearly always half our meal to take home some for another. Thanks for the inspriation and I look forward to more blogs on this.
The Great Plastic Packaging Reduction Update: How We're Dealing with Phase Two
A while back, I wrote a post detailing thirty different ways we were using less plastic packaging around the house. It was a little overwhelming at first, even with all the steps we had previously taken to reduce waste in general. Still, we made a pretty good initial dent in things. Several areas of waste reduction were still outstanding however, and I felt the time for an update post was at hand. Read on to see what new areas we've tackled, how we've done it, and what things we've noticed along the way.
UPDATES AND NEW STRATEGIES
Paper wrapped meat update
At the time of the last article, my plan was to try getting sale meats wrapped in paper the next time a great loss leader sale came along. So far, the best loss leader meats have been at Sweet Bay and I have to say they've really stepped up to the plate. With no quibbling over this issue, either. I've snagged half price salmon, ninety-nine cent per pound boneless center pork chops, and two dollar London broil steak. They wrap it in paper and seal it with the price label. Then, if I need to break it down into smaller amounts, I can wrap it in waxed paper and seal with tape. We store it in larger airtight freezer containers, like the upside down Tupperware cake holder I used this week.
The turkey sausage and pepperoni still come in plastic packaging as do any chickens or turkeys we buy. Much of our seafood comes in plastic as well, as do some of the bulk meat purchases from the warehouse store. But with Sweet Bay grocery chain stepping up to wrap sale meats in paper for me, and a workable alternative to baggies for some of the meat breakdowns, we've definitely had a significant reduction in packaging in this area.
Straws
For the occasions when we're hosting people and want to serve smoothies or other beverages where a straw might be necessary, we found some really great (and affordable) bamboo straws, which are pictured above. We have a flexible tube cleaning brush that goes with one of our camel back water supply pouches we use while hiking or doing yard work. A pipe cleaner would probably work too.
Reduced waste lunch kits
We put together two portable kits for reduced plastic consumption while eating on the road. The way we did it is a bit different from other systems I've seen, so I'm putting together an entirely separate post on the subject. Stay tuned.
Plastic bags
Occasionally I still forget my reusable bag when not at an "errand" type store. Clothing stores are a good example. Although, since I've basically switched to cloth grocery bags and have a reusable produce bag solution, I've become much more aware of the bags that certain things still come in. I try to buy as much package free as I can, but from time to time I still end up with produce and other items that come in plastic bags. I save them all now, even the ones that are sealed on both ends. I used to tear them. Now I cut the top end off carefully and use the entire bag for other things. Sometimes those bags will only get one or two more uses, but it's better than getting tossed right away. I've also come up with an affordable solution for transitioning to cloth bags for bulk bin shopping.
Fast food
Did you know you can snag a plastic free lunch at McDonalds, even without a reduced waste lunch kit? It's true. They don't use styrofoam for the boxes anymore, and with the combo meals you don't need plastic silverware. As long as you eat inside, you can get ketchup in the paper portion cups and skip the plastic straw and beverage cover. Voila! Affordable and plastic free, if not low calorie. Drive through is harder to be plastic free. You can skip the straw, but you really need the top for your drink to prevent spilling. Also, if you're determined to have ketchup on your drive through fries, you'll be stuck with the little packets.
Alternative storage for baked goods
We're using our retro advertising tins for muffins and other baked goods, as well as extra large glass containers for biscotti and such. For a bread storage solution, I found a set of two brushed steel containers with metal lids from Ikea. I'll line them with waxed paper.
Transitioning back to reusable feminine products
I had pretty much been there before the flood and our winter septic issues at the lake, but during the transition I found I just needed a little more convenience. I'm about fifty percent back to the green zone now in this area. Also, for those that continue to use disposable, some brands come with way more packaging than the others. Just something to be aware of.
Bulk buying / freezer savings / assembly cooking or OAMC departments
For the large bags of shredded cheese we buy at the warehouse store, my plan involved finding out which stores carried canning supplies year round. The answer? Ace Hardware. Now that I have the different sizes of lids and jars I need, I no longer need to break down the bulk cheese supply into smaller baggies. I can use canning jars with lids. For meats as I mentioned above, we're going with paper and waxed paper wrapping stored inside larger airtight containers. While some of the bulk items still come in plastic, I don't have to transfer them into baggies anymore. This cuts into my efficient flat storage system a bit, but since we're no longer remote it isn't such a huge issue.

ISSUES OF NOTE WITH PLASTIC PACKING REDUCTION
Noticing new areas all the time where plastic is woven into our lives.
Medicine bottles are a classic example, as are cosmetics containers. Not really much to be done about it that I can see, other than to research which companies are the most responsible and purchase conservatively in the first place.
We're actually dropping a little weight.
Not real huge processed food fans in the first place, we've reduced them even more. With paper-packaged popcorn as our main snack of choice, we're basically down to the occasional bag of Sun Chips in that department. As far as meal items, we keep anywhere from 1-3 frozen pizzas on hand along with the occasional bag of frozen breaded chicken breast tenders for nights when we just can't deal. That's still five or less processed meal items per month with plastic packaging. Not bad considering how busy we are. And since our already low consumption of processed foods has dropped even more, so has our weight. Score!
It's harder when I'm pressed for time.
The other day, things were completely out of control on the work front and a couple of other errands took way longer than expected. As a result I had time for one grocery stop and one grocery stop only. Since I needed a couple of things I could only get at the warehouse store, it was off to Sam's Club. Several of the items I needed could have been purchased elsewhere without packaging. I felt off about it, but it was that or not get groceries. So I'm working on not feeling guilty when things don't flow as smoothly as I'd like on the reduced packaging front.
Significantly reduced trash output.
We had already noticed the fact that we regularly put out about half as much trash as other people on our street, but now we're generating even less with just the moderate changes we've made. For example, there are two different trash pick up days here in our little corner of the 'burbs. Once we got over the initial overflow of unpacking, we've pretty much stuck to once a week with our rolling trash can and there's usually room left over. Now, it's only half full at maximum. In fact, we got so distracted the other week, we forgot to put the trash out at all. Rather than snag it on the second day we decided to see if we could tough it out until the following week. We did it with room to spare.
Fun side perk? Many bar items are plastic free.
Examples include the cases of microbrew, Seagram's coolers and Smirnoff Ice at the bulk buying club. Ditto with wine. Most hard spirits come in glass as well, but I noticed that my favorite brand (and the more affordable one) of coconut rum still uses a fair amount of plastic.
Other plastic packaging has ceased to be the “white noise” it used to be.
Now that this issue is in the forefront for us, the amount of incidental plastic in our lives is literally in our faces. There's no denying it. How I never noticed it before is beyond me. I've dubbed it the “white plastic noise phenomenon” and make a point to observe how others either notice it or not when we are out and about. For example, how come nobody asks whether you would like a bag or not anymore? When a friend got a refill on a drink the other day when we were grabbing the $1.50 polish sausage and beverage lunch deal at Costco and came back with a second drink cover, I also took note. Not wanting to be the annoying environmentalist, I decided not to mention it.
Does anyone else every feel like they are swimming these plastic reduction waters alone? Logically of course, I know that's not true. There are plenty of other blogs around with loads of followers, all talking about using less plastic and waste reduction in general. That being said, some days it's just plain hard not to feel overwhelmed with everything that's left to address when most of the people around you don't even appear to notice. It's not that I don't empathize. It all used to be white noise to me too, remember? So I'm not passing judgement. It's just hard. That's all I'm saying. Anybody else?
To wrap things up, I'd like to request commentary below on what other things people have noticed as they make the transition, as well as ideas for tackling some of the tougher areas. We have reached the level now where the next few things we tackle are going to take some serious precision research and multi-step action. Finding the time to dig through pages of Google research is going to be tough. Any advance tips or systemic change strategies are more than welcome.
Other articles of note on waste reduction include Andrea's pieces on ridiculous packaging and urban composting, Linsey's article on the disposable chopsticks debacle, this piece on alternatives to small plastic trash bags, and Nora's pieces on coffee cup waste and reusing wine corks. Recommended web sites on the subject: Fake Plastic Fish, Life Less Plastic, Plastic Less and My Zero Waste.
Best of Wise Bread
About five years ago, I decided that supporting the factory agricultural model in the U.S. no longer suited me, so I started shopping at a food co-op and eating fewer meals (especially fast food) out. I began watching the packaging in which the food came, and how much I was wasting on my own.
The improvements were almost always small (I still eat meat and there are some products which I strongly prefer to buy in plastic). But, after three years of getting on my own case because I thought I should do more to get myself off the factory-farm wheel, I sat back and realized I had indeed come a long way.
Your efforts in reducing plastic sound similar. At some point, you will look back and be a bit amazed at how much plastic you've managed to excise from your life. Every plastic bag you don't use, every non-blister-packed product you buy, is a little less petroleum wasted on earth. Kudos!
One tip I have not yet seen is in buying produce. I have learned to bring reusable bags to the farmer's market (since the producers are almost always to happy to bag items individually in plastic :-( ). But, at the co-op/grocery store, I've quit bagging produce like oranges or waxed cucumbers because I will only peel them before I use them anyway. Why waste a plastic bag when I can *compost* the food's covering?
I have been trying to cut down on plastic use for the last year or two, and it's hard.
Is your butcher using plain paper, or is it plastic-coated? Our coop uses plastic-coated, and i'm not sure there are any nonplastic alternatives.
The thing that really got me going was going to the kids playground and seeing how much plastic is mixed in with the sand, and going hiking in national parks and seeing how you have to be 2-3 miles in from the starting point before you get away from the plastic wrappers.
Now that most of our plastic recycling is trash we've picked up, I sometimes wonder what our trash pickup service thinks of us - the plastic and glass is half sports drink bottles and half liquor bottles.
Thank you for being a forerunner for this topic, which I think is VERY important. I hope we see more easily-renewable packaging products, such as cloth and bamboo, available, and less and less wasteful use of wood and plastic.
One of my friends was telling me there was an article about the unsanitary aspects of using reusable bags. I've never felt this to be a problem, but can you address this for those who believe it to be so? The more people we can encourage to move to reusable items, the better for our planet.
Thank you! LK
Thanks for all the comments, everybody.
SD, the produce bag thing was a tough one for me too. The link above in the article is to an affordable solution I found where you could purchase 4 drawstring mesh bags for a buck. It's working out well.
Rosa - it doesn't appear to be plastic coated. However, even if it is, I figure it's less waste than the plastic cling film with the styrofoam tray. But I'll check.
LK - Thanks for you kind words. As far as being the forerunner, I have to definitely tip my hat to Beth Terry on that one. Her blog, Fake Plastic Fish is such an inspiration to me. As far as the sanitary aspects of reusable bags, it's funny you mention it because it just came up for me for the first time the other day. The young man who was bagging groceries asked me if I had a problem with the sanitary aspects of using the reusable bags. My short answer to him was no, because I can launder them at home. Since you asked me to speak on it a bit however, here's a more thoughtful response as to why I don't personally feel it's a problem for me: First, as I mentioned above I can launder them. Second, I don't necessarily feel the produce is germ or dirt free when I pick it up from the produce aisle. People walk by and handle the food all the time in order to determine if it's fresh. They could have sneezed, coughed or even changed a diaper for crying out loud before they handled the cabbage I just picked up. So I always wash the veggies anyway. Also, and anyone who has traveled in the developing world can attest to this, our stuff is still WAY cleaner than some of the items you can pick up at street markets in some places. Not that there aren't some super clean open markets overseas, it's just that some of them really are not. Another thing to consider is that you only need enough reusable produce and grocery bags for those items that don't have a tough skin to begin with. Oranges, bananas and pineapples for example really don't need a bag. My response to those who felt it still wasn't sanitary enough when it came to switching to reusable bags might be to ask them if they buy a new cooler or insulated freezer bag after every use. Those you can only clean out with a cloth, rather than toss the entire thing in the laundry. Just a thought. Sometimes it's just a matter of perspective, not that people aren't willing to consider something.
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Heya...I was wondering what in particular was inconvenient about your non-plastic feminine products?
I just started my first menstrual cycle after pregnancy, so it's been a long time. I had some pads from the hospital leftover so I used them, but I had been using the Diva Cup which no longer fits. (I'll need to size up.) I mention this because I'm thinking about going to get a new Diva Cup tomorrow! because it is so convenient and comfortable for me, in addition to being reusable. You mentioned the cup in your previous post, but did you end up using one of the other methods mentioned?
Just wondering. My next quandry is what to do with a used Diva Cup that I can't use?
Well, without giving out TMI, it was largely due to the fact that I had learned to use the cup and fabric items under a particular set of circumstances and when the water and septic got wiped out in the back part of the cottage it threw things into complete chaos in the feminine products department. I have a limit on the types of things I'm willing to "deal with" in my kitchen sink. (go figure) Also, the type of composting toilet we had to replace the regular one with was enormous and high off the ground. The ones that are a more normal size have to be used in a house of a particular design. That wasn't us.
Then, after the flood we were with family for a few months with one very small bathroom. Having the necessary cleaning systems set up in a bathroom everyone uses just wasn't appropriate to the situation, given it wasn't my house and they aren't exactly items I prefer to have on display anyway.
Now that we are back to having a private master bath, things are getting back on track with being able to deal with the at home aspects of using those particular type of products. I hope that answers your question adequately Andie, because I know how difficult finding forums of discussion on this topic was when I was trying to make the switch. However, after sharing this level of personal information with the internet world, I do believe I need to go snag a shot of sambuca for my coffee. This is a little much for me to hit the post key for at this hour of the morning . . .
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Hi Myscha;
Thank you so much for linking to us again. I really appreciate it.
Its fantastic to read the review of how things are working out for you. Often people mention great goals on their blogs and then fail to come back and share how they are getting on; so it's fabulous to have an update on your progress.
Regarding meat; we take our own reusable containers to the meat counter - is that a viable option where you are? We do this for meat, fish, cheese and deli products such as humus and sun-dried tomatoes.
My intention is to batch cook and bake once a week so that I can fill the freezer with 'convenience food' for times when I can't be bothered to cook. I'm ok with baking, but not with savoury dishes yet ;)
I'm loving my washable menstrual pads; in fact I was using them before I cared about how much stuff I threw into landfill. It's about creating a routine (isn't everything?), so I soak them in cold water, like you would a nappy and put them in the wash when I'm next doing one. They don't need any special treatment.
The upside is far less money, I never have to dash out at silly o'clock because I'm caught out; they are SOFT and don't make me sweaty from the plastic lining and I'm more in tune with myself, my rhythms, my body and quite literally the flow of life. The consequence of which is I have a much better attitude towards my menstrual cycle. That might sound a bit whacky, but there you go.
And I believe I have less pain and better flow too - but that could be down to a number of things.
I'm looking forward to your reduced waste lunch kit post and keep up the great work with your progress; you are making such a difference to the world!
Oh, and I totally hear you on the 'pressed for time' thing. That, coupled with illness are the times when more plastic creeps back in because it's equated with 'convenience'
Sorry, I meant to share the link for making your own bags. This is great and you get full, simple instructions to use:
Thank you so much for stopping by and for your thoughtful comments. I really appreciate your input. I've brought my own container for peanut butter at Whole Foods, but hadn't really thought of it for meat yet. We'll see. Although I tend to buy more than one meat and that would mean juggling a ton of large containers (jars are smaller) along with all of the bags, the coupons and my purse. So . .. it remains to be seen if it will be viable or not. But it's a great idea regardless. I'm sure other folks will definitely be able to make it viable for their situation.
Glad things are going well for you on the plastic reduction front.
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Hey Myscha. Sorry to be weighing in so late on this post. I have a few questions, because you have found some things I haven't!
1) Wow. Bamboo straws. I had never heard of those. I wish they didn't come in a plastic bag, but still they will save many, many plastic straws. You mentioned in your zero waste post that you are carrying stainless steel straws. What, to you, are the pluses and cons of each type. (I like my GlassDharma glass straws, but that's just because they're the only reusable straws I've ever had and ALSO I like that you can actually see if they are dirty.
2) Bread tin from Ikea? Your link goes to your post about Ikea but I don't see the bread tin. Would love to. Actually, right now I am reusing a big Popcorn Factory tin that came full of... why else?.. popcorn. A gift from my dad. It also came full of plastic. Ugh. Anyway, I wrap up my bread in a cloth bag and keep it in the airtight tin. So far, it's working great. In fact, I think I'll blog about it soon.
3) My personal suggestion about never forgetting bags: I have several ChicoBags that I keep in my purse at all times. The biggest thing is remembering to fold them up and replace them as soon as I step in the door. I love ChicoBags because the stuff sack is attached to the bag so you can't lose it. And you don't have to be careful folding because you just stuff it back in. I use them for everything from clothes to groceries. And even though they are made of nylon, I feel like they save tons of reusable bags. Also, you can launder them.
4) Glad you have caught on to freezing food in Mason jars. We store everything in them, whether in the refrigerator or freezer or cupboard.
Okay, that's it for me for now. Thanks for mentioning Fake Plastic Fish in your comment!
Hi Beth, thanks for stopping by. My pleasure to give Fake Plastic Fish a shout out. You are the reduced plastic consumption queen of the universe, imho.
1. Well, the steel ones are thinner and easier to carry in the lunch packs. But they are a little more money per straw, and I know steel takes more energy so the bamboo straws made more sense to have on hand for company.
2. The bread tins weren't in that particular article, but it seemed to fit. I found the set of two tins (one inside the other) in the office organizational section at Ikea.
3. You know, I try to keep a couple of bags in my purse too. It's just that for some reason, at stores like Penny's and such, it doesn't necessarily cross my mind until I'm back in the car some times. It's getting better, but when I'm at the grocery store I always remember now. I'll get there eventually.
4. Mason jars - yes, it's working out well. Easier to justify the reduced storage efficiency now that I don't have to pack the freezer quite so tight. It would have been harder if we still lived remotely.
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I commend your efforts AND your willingness to write and share them in this forum. My own efforts began slowly, but as noted, once you are aware of the 'plastic background' of our lives, it really starts to jump out at you and your efforts increase.
I started composting several years ago, at the same time I was also reducing my intake of meat. I noticed immediately that what was left in my trash bin was 95% plastic material. Bread wrappers, pretzel bags, and general packaging plastic wrap. I am looking to create a solution now for those materials.
The comments on produce were interesting. So many people are bringing reusable cloth bags to the market now....and then filling them with plastic bags from the produce aisle. I once spent a month in Brazil. I went with friends to a large produce market. People were buying shopping carts full of various produce. NO plastic bags anywhere! They simply were unconcerned about putting a couple apples into a plastic bag. At checkout there were some produce type cardboard boxes available to take home. Every since then I've questioned why we feel the need to put all the produce in bags. I simply put all my produce in a shopping cart and then into my backpack at checkout. Of course there are a few items that get tricky but for the majority this has worked great for me.
Thanks again!
Since you mentioned pretzel bags and various plastic wrappers, I thought readers might be interested in hearing about a company that not only "recycles" those into usable products, but pays non-profits (often schools) for the privilege. Here's the scoop I copied and pasted (I don't do any mailing; I let the non-profit collecting them do that).
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For those of you unfamiliar with the trash to treasure company, TerraCycle, here is a little background information:
TerraCycle collects traditionally non-recyclable waste from people all across the country by paying a non-profit of the person collectings choice, 2 cents for each piece they collect and mail to the company, with the use of a pre-paid shipping label they can print right from the TerraCycle website (www.TerraCycle.net). A majority of TerraCycle’s active participants are schools, because the students usually bring in the items TerraCycle collects during lunch; such as juice pouches, chip bags, and cookie wrappers, plus the money can go right back to the school. TerraCycle uses the waste it receives from its Brigade members to make hundreds of products that are not only eco-friendly, but are also very affordable because its made from waste!
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Of the various products they collect, I have been most successful at saving the granola bar wrappers from both my home and my office. I turn those over to a woman (at my Weight Watchers meeting) to help earn money for her preschool. I don't really eat Lays chips or candy, and I do not have kids, so that leaves me with mostly granola bar wrappers to contribute, but that's something! At work, only granola bar wrappers have turned up. My work supervisor says her kids go through a lot of juice pouches, but so far none have arrived at the collection point at the office. (Maybe it is harder when kids must take responsibility for saving wrappers when away from their house, and not in the environment of a school that is participating?) But this whole process is exciting, and must be a boon for some families with wrapper waste and some non-profits that make $, and teach children about waste at the same time. (I wonder about chains like Subway that sell Lays chips - could they channel their used chip wrappers to TerraCycle to benefit a local non-profit?)



























