I'm glad I'm the only one that thinks "and Dolls" when I hear "Guys". I guess someone needs to come up with a catchy musical named "Men and Women - not girls, gals, dolls, dames, chicks, or honeys"
Perhaps the opposite of "guys" is "dolls"?! Of course I'm sure people would take even more offense at that and you'd have the added disadvantage of people belting out "Luck be a Lady".
I really don't see why people are taking offense at this article, it's all based on observations. There are lots of anthropological and sociological studies that have shown that "attractive" people are treated differently. As a cursory google scholar search will demonstrate.
As for getting out of tickets the only person I know who has been successful is a lovely middle aged, overweight friend of my mother, who was stopped for driving the wrong way down a one way street. She blamed the menopause and began describing her hot flushes in detail and was hurriedly told to just not do it again.
I really don't think you're entitled to judge, because "that's life" seems pretty friggin' cynical to me. So who's calling people bitter?
And as for "that's life", uh, no, it's not, not really. If we can have good presidents who keep the economy strong, then how is it "life" to have a bad one who wrecks the economy? Please try to make sense, and not making contradictory statements would help with making some sense.
Try to cut down on the exclamation points too. Since you've been to college, you should know basic punctuation rules. Then again, what would you expect from a **** nurse? $30 an hour to a glorified bedpan scrubber? No wonder there's something wrong with the economy.
The opposite of "girls" is "boys" -- terms used for children.
I don't know that there's a contemporary slang word for adult females like how "guys" is for adult males. Maybe "gals", but that's also got connotations of being someone disrespectful.
As a woman who also has a DDD rack like Hayden, I can tell you a few things. One, sometimes I don't even realise something has happened, that maybe I'm only getting better service because my shirt fits tighter. Two, people usually do try to talk to me like I'm stupid. (I also have blonde hair) And for a third, It sucks. I was told, TWICE, by different male bosses that I was only hired for my looks. Wow that is a real ego boost there.....
...they call us 'the guys' at the office. Which I believe is also the opposite of girl. What do you suggest? Ladies? I used that in my article too. The part time Playboy model reference was the easiest way I could think of to describe her looks without going into a paragraph of explanatory copy. Sassy means lively, high-spirited and fashionable...hardly an insult. And if I did look at this from a financial perspective, I would then have to ask the other question: why spend all the extra money on cosmetics and high heels to go shopping for a Blu-Ray player? Is it then premeditated, which is what you're implying? To say my article is repugnant for asking the question 'why do beautiful people get better deals?' is like saying it's also grossly unfair to ask 'why do men often get better positions and higher pay in corporations?" I believe it's fair game and grounds for conversation. I agree, I don't think people should be judged on appearance. If you read the article, you can see that's what I'm saying...and yet, so often, appearance puts me in the back of the line and other people right to the front. Isn't that worth discussion?
You call them "girls" at the office. (Do they ever call you a "boy"?) "Part-time playboy model"? "Sassy"? These are not terms you would use to describe women if you wanted to be respectful.
As a reader of your blog, I expected better. I have to agree with Lisa H. Women are pressured by an entire cultural machine to equate their worth as a person with their appearance. For you to trivialize that ("But what about meeee???") is abhorrent.
If you wanted to look at this from a purely financial perspective, you would have to include the cost of all those cosmetics, high heels, hair products and latest fashions when evaluating that 10% discount. And the incalcuable toll of having to live in a society where half the members judge your value based on your sex appeal.
...the article is about people's reactions to beauty, not an attack on it. If you disagree, that's your right. I was simply trying to provoke conversation about the fact that, quite often, beauty trumps a lot of other attributes. I have experienced it, clearly other readers have as well. I am not saying blondes are dumb, or objects. Far from it. And if you can point that out in the post, I will be happy to change that. I have too many friends in that mold to ever insult them in that way.
I come from the Philippines where Chinese are now economically dominant and thus all-too-often the object of much envy and resentment.
Money matters: There's always fear of social or business repercussions or embarrassment to you or the other person when discussing money with non-family members. It's viewed as a private matter.
Filipino ideal traits of hospitality, generosity, and a 'work to live (and enjoy!)' attitude often produce an environment which does not encourage those habits.
Co-workers who rarely attend company parties or refuse to throw birthday bashes eventually earn a reputation as a cheapskate and becomes the running joke when such occasion come. People who win a contest are cajoled into sharing some of the prize and people who got promoted are joked into giving a treat. People who'd rather work or spend time alone would be considered as people who don't know how to relax, worse, told that 'you can't bring your riches to the grave', etc. In typical Filipino fashion, the proper response to these jokes, or attitudes, is to joke back. Parents and housewives take pride in their ability to provide the best for their children and be excellent hosts at the same time.
For me, no wonder many find that being an overseas worker is necessary for some for a comfortable life here. Too much social baggage and status to maintain.
I hope at least some of these good habits such as these rub off on the general population here and diminish the stereotypes on Chinese (and Filipinos who don't fit the mold) here.
I get where you are coming from Coming Clean- that confidence and being nice; attentiveness to your server, etc can help get better service-- but that's not what the article is *really* about.
I have had a long standing rule that usually pisses people off until they fully understand the concept. Attractive people get better service than ugly people.
This is where many people start ramping up their anger machine about how shallow I am because I would dare to be honest about giving more attention and service to attractive people, but the truth is the truth.
1. I enjoy looking at beautiful things, or people, or places. I don't enjoy looking at anything that is ugly.
2. Attractive people have a confidence of self that less attractive people simply lack.
3. Good looking people usually put a little more effort into their appearance. If they are willing to do this for my benefit (if they are coming to see me), the least I can do in return is to reward their effort.
4. For the "average" looking people out there, you look average because that is all the effort you are willing to put in. Consequently, you get only "average" attention and service. Ugly people get little attention and less service.
Now the kicker. Beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder. Attractiveness is not. Because many beautiful people are also attractive does not mean ALL beautiful people are.
I am overweight (obese), and I smoke, but I find women who are attentive when I go to stores or other places where I want attention with no problem. The reason: I'm confident in my own skin and I take care of my appearance to the extent that I look my best when I go out in public. Women have told my wife many times how lucky SHE is to have a great, handsome husband, even though she is WAY hotter than I should reasonably expect to marry.
For the cops, they have a job where almost everybody they see is pissed off at them for doing their job. A little innocent "flirting" just serves to remind them that they are still normal people. It is a little positive reinforcement in a job of many negative meetings.
And for those who whine about the objectification of people, get a clue: We objectify ourselves every day. When we get dressed in the morning, unless we have to for work, we don't wear plain jumpsuits. We dress so that people who look at us will like what they see. Women wear scoop-neck sweaters, tight clothes, short skirts, low-cut tops, and padded bras so that people will look at them. Men do the same (although admittedly, fewer wear the padded bras) to attract attention. It is part of human interaction.
I have to agree with Lisa. I usually enjoy your blogs. I think your post is off-base and sexist. I also think you are ignoring ample evidence that men, particularly white men, usually get the better deals -- at banks, at mortgage brokers, at car dealerships. See Ian Ayres study at http://tinyurl.com/6arogl Didn't you outgrow jealousy a long time ago?
Society treats attractive people, men and women, better than the less-attractive. I've noticed personally that (despite my pretty-average looks) the reaction I get changes a lot based on how well I'm dressed, whether I've bothered to shave, and where I am on my fitness roller coaster. On a broader scale, higher incomes have been correlated with attractive features like height (for men), "ideal" weight, and even outright attractiveness.
It isn't fair, but it is the reality we're faced with. So we need to make use of that knowledge to our benefit. It's too late for us to change our choice in parents, so a certain part of the attractiveness is out of our hands. We do control how we dress, groom ourselves, and, to some extent, our level of fitness (yes, I struggle with this one).
In a forum I have often appreciated, I am deeply troubled by this post.
To be objectified is demeaning. Period. This is true even if objectification comes in the form of supposedly "positive" attention.
Women, regardless of their physical appearance, are full people. They are responsible for their own actions and only their own. Women, no matter what they are wearing, no matter what they look like, are not responsible for other's feelings of attraction. Women are not responsible for men's sexuality.
This article that claims not to be sexist, yet compares some women to plastic objects. The idea that women "manipulate" their sexuality has been used for centuries to uphold abuse towards women. This post is not helping. If you truly want to end whatever bias you are talking about, first work to end the sexism that upholds it.
I am a pretty girl, but I think that only works if you play it up (ie: Jessica Simpson). I have not used my womanly wiles to get ahead (okay, I have tried hard every time to get out of a ticket and it's never worked for me!). I do ask though, every chance I get whether or not I can get a discount. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I learned that from my husband (he's an average looking man) because he is a very fun person to talk to and converse with and he gets a discount probably 9.5 out of 10 times he asks for one! I think that every person has a chance of getting a discount or more time learning about the product or whatever as long as you make the sale for fun for the person doing the selling. They want to enjoy their day more too.
One thing I do find funny though is that I get completely underestimated. I'm a C.P.A. and I typically ask some pretty tough questions with every large transaction I make. People never expect that from me because of my looks. So that's the flip side of the equation for me.
Beauty is impossible to resist. We are genetically engineered to be attracted to beautiful people, male or female, sexually or otherwise. I don't think that people are consciously making an effort to give the "pretty" person the edge, they just do it because that's the way their mind works.
"getting deals seems to be a whole lot easier if you’re easier on the eye."
I'm not saying that doesn't happen, but I can tell you as a woman with a DDD rack that often men/salespeople can assume you are stupid and a pushover if you are 'easier on the eye'.
They don't make that mistake twice with me, but still...very aggravating.
I'm an "ugly" girl, and you took the words right out of my mouth!!
Ashame, the guys who've passed me by, for the pretty girls, because most of them now, (18 years after high school) are very heavy, and look...well, like me!
But, they did have their time of glory, which is something I've never had, and never will.
....or does the fact that I have a great husband, and two healthy, wonderful kids subsitute for MY time of glory?
I think it DOES.
I thank my lucky stars everyday for what I've got, and I know from seeing the ex-pretty girls around town, that most of the time, it's WAY WAY better than what they got.
Of course, my Daughter is well on her way to pretty...hmmm...do I need to get out the ugly stick to use on her, to give her a chance at true happiness? LOL!!!
Anyway, yes. I've never understood why people fall for good looking people, as if their "sh*t don't stink"!!!
What does it get them? For guys, it costs them a LOT of drink money for the girl who says thanks, and walks away...AND her ugly friends! It costs them lots and lots of heartbreak, too. Just ask my Husband, or every guy who's ever been dumped by my best friend. It costs men lots of embarassment and rejection from trying to get the supermodel in the room, when the "real" women are sitting there, just wishing someone would give them a second look, and could see INSIDE them, and realize that they are the "keepers" who will take care of them forever.
(ok, so many men are just looking to "use" the supermodel anyway...I'll give them that!)
I always wonder if the guys have a sudden feeling of "gullible" after giving a pretty girl special treatment. I hope so!
I have NEVER been let off of a traffic ticket. I've tried crying, I've tried being very nice and cooperative. I've tried joking. I've tried being UNcooperative!! I've even used some real medical situations, and the cops didn't care. I could have been sitting there with a baby half out of me...I'd still have to wait to get my ticket.
I'd never even have the guts to bother asking for a free add-on to a purchase, or a discount. I already know the answer to that!
Yes, I've always been the one who stupidly, accidentally became best friends with the pretty girls. The ones the guys did flips for. I guess they used me as their "ugly friend". You know, the person you hang with, that makes you look even that much BETTER!!
That was me, I guess.
I'd stand around in the background and wait and watch with envy, as my friend would be in the center of 5 or 6 guys, who ALL wanted HER. No one even noticed me back there, waiting.
And I always started out talking and joking, just like her, till suddenly I realized I was talking to myself.
But now, she has a crappy life. And I have a great one.
I guess suffering was what I had to pay to get what I have now.
And I guess it's the opposite way for the pretty people. They get the great stuff first, then they pay later!?
I think I got it the best way.
Like the song says, "if you want to be happy for the rest of your life....get an ugly girl to marry you"!!!!
That men make more than women is not quite true anymore...
"The analysis shows that when controlling for years of experience in the regression, the estimated difference in salaries between men and women fell from 13 percent to 3 percent, bringing women’s median earnings to 97 cents to the men’s dollar. When the other variables listed above are added to the regression, the estimated difference is lowered only another 1 percentage point."
The key to this is "controlling for years of experience"; women often take years off work to raise their family, reducing their effective years of experience as compared to men who do not. This is a societal issue, though, and not a business issue and certainly no justification for cops to let them out of speeding tickets.
The experience of being flirted may be reward enough for those men. I doubt they are really holding out for phone numbers, etc. It's the opportunity to play the role of powerful, attractive, appealing he-man even if for just a moment.
I say as long as they continue to make significantly less money and success as men, then they're free to twist any dumb male chump who cares to fall for their wiles (I'm positive I'm one of those men) around their fingers.
I'm glad I'm the only one that thinks "and Dolls" when I hear "Guys". I guess someone needs to come up with a catchy musical named "Men and Women - not girls, gals, dolls, dames, chicks, or honeys"
Perhaps the opposite of "guys" is "dolls"?! Of course I'm sure people would take even more offense at that and you'd have the added disadvantage of people belting out "Luck be a Lady".
I really don't see why people are taking offense at this article, it's all based on observations. There are lots of anthropological and sociological studies that have shown that "attractive" people are treated differently. As a cursory google scholar search will demonstrate.
As for getting out of tickets the only person I know who has been successful is a lovely middle aged, overweight friend of my mother, who was stopped for driving the wrong way down a one way street. She blamed the menopause and began describing her hot flushes in detail and was hurriedly told to just not do it again.
I really don't think you're entitled to judge, because "that's life" seems pretty friggin' cynical to me. So who's calling people bitter?
And as for "that's life", uh, no, it's not, not really. If we can have good presidents who keep the economy strong, then how is it "life" to have a bad one who wrecks the economy? Please try to make sense, and not making contradictory statements would help with making some sense.
Try to cut down on the exclamation points too. Since you've been to college, you should know basic punctuation rules. Then again, what would you expect from a **** nurse? $30 an hour to a glorified bedpan scrubber? No wonder there's something wrong with the economy.
The opposite of "girls" is "boys" -- terms used for children.
I don't know that there's a contemporary slang word for adult females like how "guys" is for adult males. Maybe "gals", but that's also got connotations of being someone disrespectful.
As a woman who also has a DDD rack like Hayden, I can tell you a few things. One, sometimes I don't even realise something has happened, that maybe I'm only getting better service because my shirt fits tighter. Two, people usually do try to talk to me like I'm stupid. (I also have blonde hair) And for a third, It sucks. I was told, TWICE, by different male bosses that I was only hired for my looks. Wow that is a real ego boost there.....
...they call us 'the guys' at the office. Which I believe is also the opposite of girl. What do you suggest? Ladies? I used that in my article too. The part time Playboy model reference was the easiest way I could think of to describe her looks without going into a paragraph of explanatory copy. Sassy means lively, high-spirited and fashionable...hardly an insult. And if I did look at this from a financial perspective, I would then have to ask the other question: why spend all the extra money on cosmetics and high heels to go shopping for a Blu-Ray player? Is it then premeditated, which is what you're implying? To say my article is repugnant for asking the question 'why do beautiful people get better deals?' is like saying it's also grossly unfair to ask 'why do men often get better positions and higher pay in corporations?" I believe it's fair game and grounds for conversation. I agree, I don't think people should be judged on appearance. If you read the article, you can see that's what I'm saying...and yet, so often, appearance puts me in the back of the line and other people right to the front. Isn't that worth discussion?
Amen!
You don't treat them as objects? Please.
You call them "girls" at the office. (Do they ever call you a "boy"?) "Part-time playboy model"? "Sassy"? These are not terms you would use to describe women if you wanted to be respectful.
As a reader of your blog, I expected better. I have to agree with Lisa H. Women are pressured by an entire cultural machine to equate their worth as a person with their appearance. For you to trivialize that ("But what about meeee???") is abhorrent.
If you wanted to look at this from a purely financial perspective, you would have to include the cost of all those cosmetics, high heels, hair products and latest fashions when evaluating that 10% discount. And the incalcuable toll of having to live in a society where half the members judge your value based on your sex appeal.
...the article is about people's reactions to beauty, not an attack on it. If you disagree, that's your right. I was simply trying to provoke conversation about the fact that, quite often, beauty trumps a lot of other attributes. I have experienced it, clearly other readers have as well. I am not saying blondes are dumb, or objects. Far from it. And if you can point that out in the post, I will be happy to change that. I have too many friends in that mold to ever insult them in that way.
I come from the Philippines where Chinese are now economically dominant and thus all-too-often the object of much envy and resentment.
Money matters: There's always fear of social or business repercussions or embarrassment to you or the other person when discussing money with non-family members. It's viewed as a private matter.
Filipino ideal traits of hospitality, generosity, and a 'work to live (and enjoy!)' attitude often produce an environment which does not encourage those habits.
Co-workers who rarely attend company parties or refuse to throw birthday bashes eventually earn a reputation as a cheapskate and becomes the running joke when such occasion come. People who win a contest are cajoled into sharing some of the prize and people who got promoted are joked into giving a treat. People who'd rather work or spend time alone would be considered as people who don't know how to relax, worse, told that 'you can't bring your riches to the grave', etc. In typical Filipino fashion, the proper response to these jokes, or attitudes, is to joke back. Parents and housewives take pride in their ability to provide the best for their children and be excellent hosts at the same time.
For me, no wonder many find that being an overseas worker is necessary for some for a comfortable life here. Too much social baggage and status to maintain.
I hope at least some of these good habits such as these rub off on the general population here and diminish the stereotypes on Chinese (and Filipinos who don't fit the mold) here.
Kudos!
I get where you are coming from Coming Clean- that confidence and being nice; attentiveness to your server, etc can help get better service-- but that's not what the article is *really* about.
I have had a long standing rule that usually pisses people off until they fully understand the concept. Attractive people get better service than ugly people.
This is where many people start ramping up their anger machine about how shallow I am because I would dare to be honest about giving more attention and service to attractive people, but the truth is the truth.
1. I enjoy looking at beautiful things, or people, or places. I don't enjoy looking at anything that is ugly.
2. Attractive people have a confidence of self that less attractive people simply lack.
3. Good looking people usually put a little more effort into their appearance. If they are willing to do this for my benefit (if they are coming to see me), the least I can do in return is to reward their effort.
4. For the "average" looking people out there, you look average because that is all the effort you are willing to put in. Consequently, you get only "average" attention and service. Ugly people get little attention and less service.
Now the kicker. Beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder. Attractiveness is not. Because many beautiful people are also attractive does not mean ALL beautiful people are.
I am overweight (obese), and I smoke, but I find women who are attentive when I go to stores or other places where I want attention with no problem. The reason: I'm confident in my own skin and I take care of my appearance to the extent that I look my best when I go out in public. Women have told my wife many times how lucky SHE is to have a great, handsome husband, even though she is WAY hotter than I should reasonably expect to marry.
For the cops, they have a job where almost everybody they see is pissed off at them for doing their job. A little innocent "flirting" just serves to remind them that they are still normal people. It is a little positive reinforcement in a job of many negative meetings.
And for those who whine about the objectification of people, get a clue: We objectify ourselves every day. When we get dressed in the morning, unless we have to for work, we don't wear plain jumpsuits. We dress so that people who look at us will like what they see. Women wear scoop-neck sweaters, tight clothes, short skirts, low-cut tops, and padded bras so that people will look at them. Men do the same (although admittedly, fewer wear the padded bras) to attract attention. It is part of human interaction.
I have to agree with Lisa. I usually enjoy your blogs. I think your post is off-base and sexist. I also think you are ignoring ample evidence that men, particularly white men, usually get the better deals -- at banks, at mortgage brokers, at car dealerships. See Ian Ayres study at http://tinyurl.com/6arogl Didn't you outgrow jealousy a long time ago?
Society treats attractive people, men and women, better than the less-attractive. I've noticed personally that (despite my pretty-average looks) the reaction I get changes a lot based on how well I'm dressed, whether I've bothered to shave, and where I am on my fitness roller coaster. On a broader scale, higher incomes have been correlated with attractive features like height (for men), "ideal" weight, and even outright attractiveness.
It isn't fair, but it is the reality we're faced with. So we need to make use of that knowledge to our benefit. It's too late for us to change our choice in parents, so a certain part of the attractiveness is out of our hands. We do control how we dress, groom ourselves, and, to some extent, our level of fitness (yes, I struggle with this one).
In a forum I have often appreciated, I am deeply troubled by this post.
To be objectified is demeaning. Period. This is true even if objectification comes in the form of supposedly "positive" attention.
Women, regardless of their physical appearance, are full people. They are responsible for their own actions and only their own. Women, no matter what they are wearing, no matter what they look like, are not responsible for other's feelings of attraction. Women are not responsible for men's sexuality.
This article that claims not to be sexist, yet compares some women to plastic objects. The idea that women "manipulate" their sexuality has been used for centuries to uphold abuse towards women. This post is not helping. If you truly want to end whatever bias you are talking about, first work to end the sexism that upholds it.
Can we please move beyond the ideal woman being a simpering, helpless LOSER? And the concept that "beautiful"= blonde, skinny and a rack of doom?
I usually expect better here.
I am a pretty girl, but I think that only works if you play it up (ie: Jessica Simpson). I have not used my womanly wiles to get ahead (okay, I have tried hard every time to get out of a ticket and it's never worked for me!). I do ask though, every chance I get whether or not I can get a discount. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I learned that from my husband (he's an average looking man) because he is a very fun person to talk to and converse with and he gets a discount probably 9.5 out of 10 times he asks for one! I think that every person has a chance of getting a discount or more time learning about the product or whatever as long as you make the sale for fun for the person doing the selling. They want to enjoy their day more too.
One thing I do find funny though is that I get completely underestimated. I'm a C.P.A. and I typically ask some pretty tough questions with every large transaction I make. People never expect that from me because of my looks. So that's the flip side of the equation for me.
Beauty is impossible to resist. We are genetically engineered to be attracted to beautiful people, male or female, sexually or otherwise. I don't think that people are consciously making an effort to give the "pretty" person the edge, they just do it because that's the way their mind works.
"getting deals seems to be a whole lot easier if you’re easier on the eye."
I'm not saying that doesn't happen, but I can tell you as a woman with a DDD rack that often men/salespeople can assume you are stupid and a pushover if you are 'easier on the eye'.
They don't make that mistake twice with me, but still...very aggravating.
I'm an "ugly" girl, and you took the words right out of my mouth!!
Ashame, the guys who've passed me by, for the pretty girls, because most of them now, (18 years after high school) are very heavy, and look...well, like me!
But, they did have their time of glory, which is something I've never had, and never will.
....or does the fact that I have a great husband, and two healthy, wonderful kids subsitute for MY time of glory?
I think it DOES.
I thank my lucky stars everyday for what I've got, and I know from seeing the ex-pretty girls around town, that most of the time, it's WAY WAY better than what they got.
Of course, my Daughter is well on her way to pretty...hmmm...do I need to get out the ugly stick to use on her, to give her a chance at true happiness? LOL!!!
Anyway, yes. I've never understood why people fall for good looking people, as if their "sh*t don't stink"!!!
What does it get them? For guys, it costs them a LOT of drink money for the girl who says thanks, and walks away...AND her ugly friends! It costs them lots and lots of heartbreak, too. Just ask my Husband, or every guy who's ever been dumped by my best friend. It costs men lots of embarassment and rejection from trying to get the supermodel in the room, when the "real" women are sitting there, just wishing someone would give them a second look, and could see INSIDE them, and realize that they are the "keepers" who will take care of them forever.
(ok, so many men are just looking to "use" the supermodel anyway...I'll give them that!)
I always wonder if the guys have a sudden feeling of "gullible" after giving a pretty girl special treatment. I hope so!
I have NEVER been let off of a traffic ticket. I've tried crying, I've tried being very nice and cooperative. I've tried joking. I've tried being UNcooperative!! I've even used some real medical situations, and the cops didn't care. I could have been sitting there with a baby half out of me...I'd still have to wait to get my ticket.
I'd never even have the guts to bother asking for a free add-on to a purchase, or a discount. I already know the answer to that!
Yes, I've always been the one who stupidly, accidentally became best friends with the pretty girls. The ones the guys did flips for. I guess they used me as their "ugly friend". You know, the person you hang with, that makes you look even that much BETTER!!
That was me, I guess.
I'd stand around in the background and wait and watch with envy, as my friend would be in the center of 5 or 6 guys, who ALL wanted HER. No one even noticed me back there, waiting.
And I always started out talking and joking, just like her, till suddenly I realized I was talking to myself.
But now, she has a crappy life. And I have a great one.
I guess suffering was what I had to pay to get what I have now.
And I guess it's the opposite way for the pretty people. They get the great stuff first, then they pay later!?
I think I got it the best way.
Like the song says, "if you want to be happy for the rest of your life....get an ugly girl to marry you"!!!!
That men make more than women is not quite true anymore...
"The analysis shows that when controlling for years of experience in the regression, the estimated difference in salaries between men and women fell from 13 percent to 3 percent, bringing women’s median earnings to 97 cents to the men’s dollar. When the other variables listed above are added to the regression, the estimated difference is lowered only another 1 percentage point."
http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/issuebrf/sib99352.htm
The key to this is "controlling for years of experience"; women often take years off work to raise their family, reducing their effective years of experience as compared to men who do not. This is a societal issue, though, and not a business issue and certainly no justification for cops to let them out of speeding tickets.
The experience of being flirted may be reward enough for those men. I doubt they are really holding out for phone numbers, etc. It's the opportunity to play the role of powerful, attractive, appealing he-man even if for just a moment.
It depends where you are... sure, it's worse in some places.
As a person of color I feel that attitudes like that is what hold us back.
It's worse for people of color, by the way.
I say as long as they continue to make significantly less money and success as men, then they're free to twist any dumb male chump who cares to fall for their wiles (I'm positive I'm one of those men) around their fingers.